tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post7696166672879064203..comments2024-02-18T03:21:27.028-05:00Comments on Dumneazu: The End of the Dancing Bearsdumneazuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03595663581295671582noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post-81110817560781535402017-08-13T18:43:48.924-04:002017-08-13T18:43:48.924-04:00I worked with Gypsy families and these people have...I worked with Gypsy families and these people have completly other lifestyles and cultur. As well as I learned to respect their different way of acting in the world and in their own future, I deeply hope they get the twist - not to keep certain useless cultural habits, but to improve their future with new and better living-realities. <br /><br />Dancing Bears should be a thing of their history, as well as their non-existing understanding of women's rights and the inability to give their children a way of choice, in which world they want to live. <br /><br />Gypsys have a wonderfull tradition of trading and folklore and many other options, of which they could make a living. Dancing bears should be a thing of the past. No need to cry about that. Manonhttp://www.tierschule.atnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post-87175793120440268262016-09-03T15:12:57.805-04:002016-09-03T15:12:57.805-04:00How sad..poor bear its a terrible tradition How sad..poor bear its a terrible tradition Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16135053274212271451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post-31329256775520771932016-09-03T15:11:37.764-04:002016-09-03T15:11:37.764-04:00ππππAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16135053274212271451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post-87601811958957629962016-09-03T15:10:05.344-04:002016-09-03T15:10:05.344-04:00Well said I agree Well said I agree Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16135053274212271451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post-83614754319387084662016-09-03T15:08:39.014-04:002016-09-03T15:08:39.014-04:00I dont think it's sad at all.What about the po...I dont think it's sad at all.What about the poor bear with a ring through its nose being pulled and put through agony to dance when the Romanian pulls on the chain.Im glad it's come to an end.How can you say it is sad it's finished??Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16135053274212271451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post-40215702640018453472016-04-16T03:55:46.328-04:002016-04-16T03:55:46.328-04:00I read a story about a famous rabbi who did little...<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />I read a story about a famous rabbi who did little else than read Torah night and day. He had an assistant. One day the rabbi heard some commotion outside his window and asked his assistant what was going on? The assistant was utterly flabbergasted because the rabbi never let anything distract him. The assistant found out it was only a gypsy with a dancing bear (not uncommon in those days). The rabbi told the assistant I want to go and see. The assistant was even more dumbfounded by this request. So they walked down to see the gypsy and the dancing bear. When they got there, the rabbi offered to buy the bear from the gypsy. It was an old bear who had seen his best days, so they agreed on a price. The gypsy walked away happy and never turned once to say goodbye to the bear. the rabbi then looked the bear right in the eyes and said in Hebrew in a loud voice: "you are free" to which the bear immediately fell over dead!---book--small miracles for the Jewish heartDannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post-43983659373829490482015-02-27T20:58:26.870-05:002015-02-27T20:58:26.870-05:00how horrid for bears - how horrid for people who c...how horrid for bears - how horrid for people who could not find a way to make enough money due to prejudice without torturing bears. We all are responsible.cjbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01347147834552205490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post-87487787049273031632012-12-30T04:06:16.620-05:002012-12-30T04:06:16.620-05:00I would be happy if the truth was that the bear da...I would be happy if the truth was that the bear dancing is extinguished. I still remember vividly the day when gypsies came to our neighborhood with the bear on a leash. I was 7. I know I felt like something was wrong there, although the whole situation was screaming "fun is here": while dancing, the bear was panting and drooling. Don't get me wrong, but I don't worry much about the gypsy families. I have talked to gypsies for numerous times, when they come to beg for money. I would ask "Why don't you work?" or "Why don't you go to school?", and the answer I would get is "Why should I when you gave me some money a couple of minutes ago?" It is much easier to make money out of "something" that doesn't talk and can't complain. I say 1:0 for bears. This mankind has disappointed me so much, that I would rather see humanity wiped out than any animal tortured. I am sorry... Best regards from Serbia.Aleksandranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post-59234162927799292722012-08-25T10:38:28.037-04:002012-08-25T10:38:28.037-04:00The Rom or Roma, otherwise known as Gypsies, certa...The Rom or Roma, otherwise known as Gypsies, certainly did not introduce the cruel practice of the dancing bear into Europe from India. Dancing bears existed in Europe long before the migration of Gypsies from India to Byzantine Greece around 1000 AD.<br /><br />Isocrates, a teacher in ancient Greece who lived from 436 to 338 BC, describes dancing bears in Athens as β...bears which dance about and wrestle and imitate our skill.β<br /><br />The father of the Byzantine empress Theodora, who lived from 500-548 AD, was a man named Acacius who was a bear-keeper in Constantinople. Theodora is of course never described as being a Gypsy.<br /><br />Medieval manuscript illustrations from Western European countries such as France show jugglers, acrobats and bear-keepers who are obviously white Europeans and not Gypsies.<br /><br />The dancing bear tradition of the European Gypsies would have come from the Kalandar Gypsy caste of India and therefore has a separate origin to that of the European dancing bear tradition. The Kalandars have traditionally had a number of occupations including puppet theatre and acrobatics as well as bear-keeping. Similarly, many Gypsies in Turkey and the Balkans have traditionally put on puppet shows, or worked as blacksmiths or musicians and in other occupations that have not involved the exploitation of bears.Danielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post-31208640094245971722012-02-27T08:46:14.110-05:002012-02-27T08:46:14.110-05:00"There was also one 34-year-old she bear we k..."There was also one 34-year-old she bear we knew would not make it for long even under our care. Her owner had cut her neck with a knife and left an infected wound on her belly by stabbing it with an iron rod. She died in November 2003," the worker said.<br /><br />Some parts of cultural heritage should be allowed to die out.Iskranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post-18498589271723420822011-12-18T18:03:30.028-05:002011-12-18T18:03:30.028-05:00I understand that bear dance leading is a cultural...I understand that bear dance leading is a cultural tradition but it is a tradition that has been left on history's trash dump. We may wonder what happened to the families that made their living in this way just as we may wonder about the jobs lost running concentration camps at the end of World War II. Sometimes people just have to change in response to changing societal mores, and this is no different.Grizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03775378234329434701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post-6957609327270910582011-11-27T18:27:27.822-05:002011-11-27T18:27:27.822-05:00You are right that the bears have harsh lives, but...You are right that the bears have harsh lives, but think about the people that are slowly losing all elements of their culture to westernization which is a disgusting process in and of itself. It's one thing to offer new medicine and technology, but completely another to outlaw all of the practices of any meaning in their culture just because some WSPCA people noticed that the bears are not willing participants. But do you think horses want to be ridden, Dogs want to eat only scraps, or that cows and pigs and chickens want to be eaten? Fuck no.<br />But unlike western culture; Native and nomadic people like the Ursarii use every part of the animal once it dies. So I say that you can change how they train the animals, but you do not get to tell them they can't keep the practices of their culture.Crystalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06979588420802882694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post-39135930539617774412011-11-07T12:43:01.670-05:002011-11-07T12:43:01.670-05:00this is one of the worst things i have ever seen. ...this is one of the worst things i have ever seen. i was never aware of the bear dancing culture until i saw an ad about it. how would people feel being treated that way. using animals cruely for your amusement and for you to make money instead of being a productive, decent human being and making a salary on something that doesnt force these animals to be harmed. anyone involved in bear dancing is a disgusting human being and should be damned for what they are doing to these innocent animals. dirty people is what you are, and now that i am aware of this i will be going out of my way to do something about it. i understand everyone has to make a living but there are ways to do it that will not harm animals or people. your taking the easy way out, and using this as a cruel way to quick money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post-48530706514338502932011-07-13T05:27:50.801-04:002011-07-13T05:27:50.801-04:00Hi,
I am a journalist from Poland, researching abo...Hi,<br />I am a journalist from Poland, researching about dancing bears. I really like your post but I cannot find your email adress. Could u please contact me via wszablowski@tlen.pl. Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post-14110442894601833102010-04-12T21:06:37.276-04:002010-04-12T21:06:37.276-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.θ₯ηηθVivianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15125993192313513388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post-67010602558106497092010-01-09T08:49:59.359-05:002010-01-09T08:49:59.359-05:00I really wonder what happens to the families after...I really wonder what happens to the families after they had to give their bear away, too!<br /><br />I guess they will purchase another bear cub, if they are not convinced/ educated that it is better to give the bear away. And I dope they are paid enough, and (!) given an alternative oportunity to earn money. <br /><br />Otherwise, where is the reason in givng a bear away if it means to starve in poverty? <br /><br />It is good the bear dancing in closed, but it must be done in a human way. Otherwise it is a neverending story.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13177096119704266665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post-79201858962223993842009-03-06T15:15:00.000-05:002009-03-06T15:15:00.000-05:00At least the people taking the bears aren't demoni...At least the people taking the bears aren't demonizing the gypsies and can understand their plight. I would rather not see their culture be chipped away at bit by bit but there needs to be a line drawn on what can keep going and bear dancing, as fun as it seems isn't fair to the bears or the impoverished people who have to use the bears and then have them taken away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post-4744198192461672672007-09-11T11:47:00.000-04:002007-09-11T11:47:00.000-04:00I like bears.I like bears.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16773482874554392774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post-50144764896381993942007-09-08T12:38:00.000-04:002007-09-08T12:38:00.000-04:00sorry - I omitted the reason the authorities would...sorry - I omitted the reason the authorities would not let them into the city, namely their performing bear.Alex D-Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02711651253481207208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21879466.post-77701008554035743092007-09-08T12:36:00.000-04:002007-09-08T12:36:00.000-04:00The moldavian aristocrat Nicolae Gane met some Rom...The moldavian aristocrat Nicolae Gane met some Romanian-speaking gypsies outside Paris in 1867. They had come to perform at the Exposition Universelle but the authorities would not let them into the city. See N. Gane, Pacate marturisite (1904).Alex D-Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02711651253481207208noreply@blogger.com